Lydia Howes

Other Events:

• Name: Lydia Edwards
• Name: Lydia Unknown
• Birth: 1866, Norwich, Norfolk
• Birth: 21 Jun 1868
• Residence: 1871, Old Palace Road, Heigham St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 1881; Scholar
• Residence: 1881, Old Palace Road, Heigham St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 7 Apr 1890, St George Colegate, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 1891, 176 Ber Street, St John de Sepulchre parish, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 1901, 17 Florence Road, Thorpe St Matthew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 9 May 1906, 98 Rosary Road, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 2 Feb 1911, 31 Goldwell Road, Lakenham, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 2 Apr 1911, 31 Goldwell Road, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 23 Apr 1912, 69 Albany Road, Catton, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 29 Sep 1939, Bishopsgate, Norwich, Norfolk

Notes:

Residence:
Great Hospital for Reception of Aged People

Lydia married William James Edwards on 7 Apr 1890 in St George Colegate, Norwich, Norfolk. William was born on 16 Jun 1869 in Norwich, Norfolk; died about Nov 1945 in Norwich, Norfolk. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Gertrude Ruth Edwards was born about Aug 1890 in Norwich, Norfolk; died about Feb 1891 in Norwich, Norfolk.
2. Dorothy Ruth Edwards was born on 23 Sep 1893 in Norwich, Norfolk; died about May 1968 in Outer Norwich RD, Norfolk.
3. Alice May Edwards was born about Feb 1897 in Norwich, Norfolk.
4. Phyllis Maud Edwards was born about Nov 1903 in Norwich, Norfolk; died about Nov 1903 in Norwich, Norfolk.
5. William Donald Edwards was born on 9 May 1906 in 98 Rosary Road, Norwich, Norfolk; died about Nov 1915 in Norwich, Norfolk.

Other Events:

• Employer: Howlett & White
• Name: George Howes
• Name: Thomas Benjamin Howse
• Name: Thomas Howes
• Birth: Abt 1826, Norwich, Norfolk
• Birth: Abt 1827, Norfolk
• Birth: Jan 1827, Norwich, Norfolk
• Birth: 7 Jan 1827
• Baptism: 13 Jan 1828, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 6 Jun 1841, Catton Back Road, St Clements Parish, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 22 Oct 1847; Cordwainer
• Residence: 22 Oct 1847, St Giles Hill, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 3 Mar 1848; Shoemaker
• Residence: 3 Mar 1848, Dog & Bitch Yard, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Witness at Marriage: 10 Apr 1849, Register Office, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 30 Apr 1850; Shoemaker
• Residence: 30 Apr 1850, St Martin's Lane, St Mary Coslany, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 30 Mar 1851; Cordwainer (Master)
• Residence: 30 Mar 1851, St Martin's Lane, St Mary Coslany, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 13 Dec 1852, St Martin's Lane, St Mary Coslany, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 13 Dec 1852, St Martin's Lane, St Mary Coslany, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 13 Mar 1854; Cordwainer
• Residence: 13 Mar 1854, Howlett's Yard, St Saviour's, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 2 Dec 1857; Shoemaker
• Residence: 2 Dec 1857, Fellmongers Arms Yard, 90 Oak Street, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 9 Nov 1859; Shoemaker
• Residence: 9 Nov 1859, Fellmongers Arms Yard, 90 Oak Street, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 7 Apr 1861; Cordwainer
• Residence: 7 Apr 1861, Fellmongers Arms Yard, 90 Oak Street, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 12 Jan 1862; Cordwainer
• Residence: 12 Jan 1862, Fellmongers Arms Yard, 90 Oak Street, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 16 Aug 1864; Cordwainer
• Residence: 16 Aug 1864, Rose Yard, St Augustine's Street, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 30 Jul 1866; Cordwainer
• Residence: 30 Jul 1866, St Michael's Alley, Norwich, Norfolk
• Witness at Marriage: 22 Jul 1867, Register Office, Norwich, Norfolk; son's wedding
• Occupation: 22 Jul 1867; Cordwainer
• Occupation: 21 Jun 1868; Cordwainer
• Residence: 21 Jun 1868, Coslany Street, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 25 Dec 1868; Shoemaker
• Occupation: 2 Apr 1871, Old Palace Road, Heigham St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 2 Apr 1871, Old Palace Road, Heigham St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 23 Sep 1872; Shoe-maker
• Occupation: 10 Jun 1878; Cordwainer
• Residence: 10 Jun 1878, Old Palace Road, Heigham St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 3 Apr 1881; Boot maker
• Residence: 3 Apr 1881, Old Palace Road, Heigham St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 29 May 1882; Shoe Maker
• Residence: 29 May 1882, Old Palace Road, Heigham St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 25 Aug 1884; Bootmaker
• Occupation: 25 Dec 1889; Labourer
• Occupation: 7 Apr 1890; Shoemaker
• Occupation: 1891; Shoemaker
• Residence: 1891, 144 Heigham Street, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 1892, 144 Heigham Street, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 1896; Shoemaker & Shopkeeper
• Residence: 1896, 160 Heigham Street, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 31 Mar 1901; Basket Shop Keeper
• Residence: 31 Mar 1901, 164 Heigham St, St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 9 Mar 1907; Shoemaker
• Occupation: 1 Feb 1911; Bootmaker
• Residence: 1 Feb 1911, 3 Cooke's Buildings, Denmark Road, Norwich, Norfolk
• Hospital Admission: 2 Feb 1911, Great Hospital, Bishopgate, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 2 Apr 1911; Formerly Shoemaker
• Residence: 2 Apr 1911, Great Hospital, Bishopgate, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 18 Oct 1913; Grinder (Master)
• Residence: 18 Oct 1913, Great Hospital, Bishopgate, Norwich, Norfolk

Notes:

Thomas was recommended for admission to the Great Hospital by Sir Peter Eade.
"After Sir William's death the Norwich High School for Girls first opened its doors here on 22nd February 1875, under the supervision of head mistress Miss Ada Benson, whose brother later became Archbishop of Canterbury. Two years later the school moved to the Assembly House, after which the property was purchased by Sir Peter (then Doctor) Eade. An honorary consultant physician to the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital, he became an Alderman of the city and member of the Board of Guardians, being made Sheriff in 1880-81 and Mayor in 1883, 1893 and 1895. He received a knighthood in 1885 from Queen Victoria in recognition of his public services. A member of the committee of the Norfolk and Norwich Archaeological Society, he published several important works on local matters, the chief, perhaps, being his History of the Parish of St Giles, Norwich, which ran to two editions, and a History of the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital. He died in 1915 aged ninety, and his wife Ellen two months later."

Funeral cost quoted as 11/6d:
Coffin: 4/-
Shroud: 3/-
Church fees: 1/6
Bell: 2/-
Extra items: 1/-

His son, Thomas jr, had "his insurance policy" and arranged burial

TBH was eligible because he had no income producing property and had lived in Norwich the previous 3 years.

Witness at Marriage:
sister's wedding

Thomas married Charlotte Smith on 22 Oct 1847 in Register Office, Norwich, Norfolk. Charlotte was born about 1829 in Norwich, Norfolk; died on 9 Mar 1907 in 1 Cow Yard, Cow Hill, St Giles, Norwich, Norfolk. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Name: Charlotte Howes
• Name: Charlotte Unknown
• Birth: Abt 1828, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 6 Jun 1841, Deek's Buildings, Oak Street, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 22 Oct 1847; Havel Drawer
• Residence: 22 Oct 1847, Quakers' Lane, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Witness at Marriage: 10 Apr 1849, Register Office, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 10 Apr 1849
• Residence: 13 Dec 1849, Bull Close, St Paul, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 30 Apr 1850, St Martin's Lane, St Mary Coslany, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 1851; Havel and Slaie Drawer
• Residence: 1851, St Martin's Lane, St Mary Coslany, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 13 Mar 1854, Howlett's Yard, St Saviour's, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 2 Dec 1857, Fellmongers Arms Yard, 90 Oak Street, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 9 Nov 1859, Fellmongers Arms Yard, 90 Oak Street, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 1861; Shoe Binder
• Residence: 1861, Fellmongers Arms Yard, 90 Oak Street, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 12 Jan 1862, Fellmongers Arms Yard, 90 Oak Street, St Martin at Oak, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 16 Aug 1864, Rose Yard, St Augustine's Street, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 30 Jul 1866, St Michael's Alley, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 21 Jun 1868, Coslany Street, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 1871; Machinist
• Residence: 1871, Old Palace Road, Heigham St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 1881, Old Palace Road, Heigham St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 1881, Old Palace Road, Heigham St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 1891, 144 Heigham Street, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 1901, 164 Heigham St, St Bartholomew, Norwich, Norfolk
• Death: Abt Feb 1907, Norwich, Norfolk; : 79y
• Residence: 9 Mar 1907, 1 Cow Yard, Cow Hill, St Giles, Norwich, Norfolk

Notes:

Worked through BTs for 1829. Possible Charlotte in St Mary Coslany....check the whole parish (not there) and St Stephen

Parishes searched for Charlotte's birth:
St Augustine's
St Geo Colegate
- pre-oct 1828 records illegible
- William Richard born to Charles/Sarah in Oct 1828
- Emma to Robert/Mary Ann Oct 1830
- Ann to Charles/Sarah Dec 1830
St James Pockthorpe - 1827-
- James born to James/Mary March 1828
- Robert to William/Susanna - March 1828
- Grace to John/Elizabeth - August 1828
- Martha to Daniel/Mary Ann - Nov 1828
- John michael to John/Ann - April 1829
- Maria to Clara/Mary Ann - August 1829
St Mary Coslany 1828-1830
St Martin at Oak
- a John and Ann Smith has a Sophia Bridget in June 1828
- a William and Mary Ann Smith had a William in Sept 1828
- a William and Elizabeth Smith had a Hannah in August 1830
- a John and Susan Smith had a Sarah in August 1831

We know from the marriage cert of Charlotte that her father was John Smith. In 1851, a John Smith aged 15, cordwainer's apprentice was staying with the family - looks like a younger brother of Charlotte. (There's also a 10-year old "son" called William, whom I just cannot explain).
In 1861, there's a Robert Smith present in 1861, age 20, Cordwainer - explicitily noted as a brother-in-law. There are only two Robert Smiths aged 10 in the 1851 census who are sons of a John.

Looking at these two Roberts age 10 in 1851 (sons of John in Norwich), it looks like the first is more likely to have produced a John age 15 in 1851, and a Charlotte aged 22. The occupation fits too.

Head: SMITH, John Neighbors 160137
Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace
John SMITH Head M 44 M Silk Weaver Hardenham-NFK
Mary SMITH Wife M 41 F Silk Weaver Norwich-NFK
Henry SMITH Son - 13 M --- Norwich-NFK
James SMITH Son - 11 M --- Norwich-NFK
Robert SMITH Son - 10 M --- Norwich-NFK
Mary Anne SMITH Daur - 11 F --- Norwich-NFK
Address: Cases Court, Norwich
Census Place: Norwich St George Colegate Norwich, Norfolk
PRO Reference: HO/107/1812 Folio: 303 Page: 18 FHL Film: 0207465

Head: SMITH, John Neighbors 168266
Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace
John SMITH Head M 32 M Gardener Norwich----
Elizabeth SMITH Wife M 32 F --- Wymondham-Norfolk
Robert SMITH Son - 10 M Scholar Norwich----
Sarah Ann SMITH Daur - 8 F Scholar Norwich----
Pheobe SMITH Daur - 6 F Scholar Norwich----
George H. SMITH Son - 3 M --- Norwich----
Hannah SMITH Daur - 11 F --- Norwich----
Address: Mill Street, ---
Census Place: Norwich Lakenham Norwich, Norfolk
PRO Reference: HO/107/1815 Folio: 117 Page: 25 FHL Film: 0207468

Clearly, the first is way more likely than the second. It's impossible for the second couple to have had Charlotte. I'm not completely convinced yet, but it's strong evidence. Note that Hardenham is almost certainly Hardingham, just North West of Wymondham.

Re Occupation: here's what I received from one helpful person:
According to the 'Dictionary Of Occupational Terms' (produced to aid statisticians extracting data from censuses), 'havel' is a dialect term for 'heald'.

A heald is an item associated with loom weaving and is described as "loops through which warp threads are drawn"

There are a number of occupations listed associated with the production and preparation of healds, all more or less self explanatory (tending to the less as far as I am concerned!):, viz:

(All the following preceded by Heald/Havel)
Brusher
Fitter
Knitter
Machinist
Maker
Mender
Sizer (applies size)
Varnisher

Associated with the weaving process, in particular with the use of Jute, but not preceded by Heald/Havel is the occupation Drawer, described as follows:

"Takes end of warp which goes last on to the weaver's beam, after beam has been removed from beaming frame, and which contains weaver's lease; selects individual threads and draws them through healds with a hooked tool, or attaches them to ends of warp threads in fabric already woven and in loom."

(Clear as mud!)

I can find nothing that could be taken as 'Stai' - unless you consider 'Sizer'.

Perhaps if you found a treatise on 19th Century weaving (via GOOGLE ?) things might become clearer.

Slaie

noun
A weaver's reed; a sley.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
Word Browser

Witness at Marriage:
sister-in-law's wedding

Residence:
Marriage of Sarah Ann Howes, Register Office, Norwich

Other Events:

• Name: John Howse
• Birth: Abt 1796
• Baptism: 12 Jun 1796, St Clement, Norwich, Norfolk
• Birth: Bef 1801, Norfolk
• Occupation: 29 Oct 1815; Cordwainer
• Residence: 29 Oct 1815, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 23 Mar 1817; Cordwainer
• Residence: 23 Mar 1817, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 4 Nov 1821; Bombazine Dresser
• Residence: 4 Nov 1821, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 21 Dec 1823; Bombazine Dresser
• Residence: 21 Dec 1823, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 4 Dec 1825; Shoemaker
• Residence: 4 Dec 1825, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 13 Jan 1828; Bombazine Dresser
• Residence: 13 Jan 1828, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 17 Mar 1833; Cordwainer
• Occupation: 6 Jun 1841; Shoemaker
• Residence: 6 Jun 1841, Catton Back Road, St Clements Parish, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 26 Nov 1843; Shoemaker
• Occupation: 26 Jul 1845; Cordwainer
• Occupation: 22 Oct 1847; Shoemaker
• Occupation: 10 Apr 1849; Shoemaker
• Occupation: 30 Mar 1851; Cordwainer
• Residence: 30 Mar 1851, St Giles Hill, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 9 Feb 1857; Cordwainer
• Occupation: 16 Jan 1860; Shoemaker Master
• Residence: 16 Jan 1860, Wellington Street, Union Place, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk

Notes:

St Clements parish:
John, son of James Howes and Mary (Willson) born May 14, bapt June 12, 1796
Mary, dr born 23 10 1797 bpt 29 10 1797
Also, Hannah, daughter of above, bpt Jun 16 1793 - St John de Sepulchre

Eliza Howes, m New Catton age 22 on 13 Jn 1857, daughter of John Howes, Shoemaker to Miles Crickmore age 24, both New Catton residents
MI at St Giles Church, Norwich: John Howes died ^ Aug 1829, aged 52

Parishes searched for birth record: 1795-1797
St Augustines + AT/BTs

Elizabeth Armstrong 17 Nov 1815 Norwich St John Timberhill
- labourer, both of this parish, banns, witnesses: Abraham Terry and David Bath Jarret?
- no subsequent kids born in the local parish

See 1861 census: Botolph St St Saviour
John, 65, weaver, b St Martin@Palace + Elizabeth 62, b St Helens

Sundry notes from Howes microfiche:
Nch St Margaret's: John Howes bapt to John (shoemaker)+Eliz 17 9 1837
Nch St Peter Hungate: to John Howe (weaver) + Elizabeth: John 23/10/1821 + Sarah Ann, + Isabella + John Philip Weston + William Carter Smeaton + Hannah Chasteny thru 1831
St Geo Colgate: John FIsh born to John (lab) + Eliz (sampson) 16jul 1826 bapt 30jul
Also St Gregory: John Fish birn to John (grocer) + Elixabeth (Sampson) 30jun1825 bapt10jul1825
same parish/parents: Frederick Andrew b 1oct 1828 bapt 12oct 1828
same parish/parents: Alfred b 7apr1830 bapt 21apr1830
Nch St Gregory: Eliza Lucy born to John (shoemaker) & Eliza 12may1834 bapt 18may1834
same parish/parents: Joseph Carver b mar 1836 bapt 13mar1836


IMPORTANT NOTE: See other sibling named John. It appears that this one must have died before the other's birth and thus this connection is incorrect.

Birth:
age 63 at death

Died:
Informant: Elizabeth Howes, wife

John married Elizabeth Fulcher on 17 Nov 1815 in St Gregory, Norwich, Norfolk. Elizabeth (daughter of Joseph Fulcher and Sarah Howes) was born about Aug 1798 in Ludham, Norfolk; died on 7 Aug 1868 in Union Workhouse, Bowthorpe Road, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Name: Elizabeth Dean
• Name: Elizabeth Howes
• Name: Elizabeth Unknown
• Baptism: 24 Aug 1798, Ludham, Norfolk
• Birth: Bef 1801, Norfolk
• Residence: 23 Mar 1817, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 28 Oct 1821, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 18 Dec 1823, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 30 Nov 1825, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 13 Jan 1828, St Augustine, Norwich, Norfolk
• Residence: 6 Jun 1841, Catton Back Road, St Clements Parish, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 30 Mar 1851; Binder
• Residence: 30 Mar 1851, St Giles Hill, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk
• Occupation: 25 Dec 1860; Shoe Binder
• Residence: 25 Dec 1860, Union Street, Union Place, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk
• Death: Abt Aug 1868, Norwich, Norfolk; : 71y

Other Events:

• Name: James House
• Name: James Hows
• Name: James Howse

Notes:

Possibles:
From IGI, 17/2/1755 St Lawrence, marriage James Howes/Howse & Susanna Vickers (image on page 3)
bap 11/6/1758 St Saviour - Susanna Howes
bap 2/1762 St Clement & St Edmund - Elizabeth Howse
March 1765 St Mary at Coslany - see page 18 - son of James Howes & Susanna

Note that there appears to be an error in this family, since there are two Johns and Marys. Needs proper investigation.


Birth:
estimate

James married Mary Vincent on 17 Feb 1785 in St Mary at Coslany, Norwich, Norfolk. Mary was born about 1764. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Name: Mary Wilson

Notes:

Baptism entry for William Howes 1787 has him as son of "James & Mary (late Mary ***Wilson*** Vincent")
*** *** indicates struck through
Both James Vincent Howeses have Mary Vincent for a mother
Most likely Mary Vincent I can see is one bapt 7 Jan 1759, St Augustine, Norwich


Birth:
estimate

Other Events:

• Baptism: 29 Apr 1764, Ludham, Norfolk
• Occupation: 25 Dec 1860; Carpenter

Notes:

MI from Ludham
1 - In loving memory of WILLIAM ALLEN who died May 6 1875 aged 50 years and THIRZA his beloved wife who died Nov 1 1888 aged 56 years and three of their children and 6 grandchildren
And of John FULCHER the beloved husband of Hannah Fulcher and brother of the above THURZA ALLEN who died Dec 17 1888 aged 52 years and is interred at Bow Cemetery London

2 - In loving memory of HANNAH widow of the late John Fulcher who died Nov 5 1894 aged 56 years

3 - In memory of John Fulcher who died 9 April 1831 aged 61 years. Also SUSAN wife of the above who died 20 Oct 1841 aged 73 years.

Joseph married Sarah Howes on 4 Oct 1790 in Ashmanhaugh, Norfolk. Sarah (daughter of Thomas Howes and Mary Milk) was born about Jun 1766 in Ashmanhaugh, Norfolk. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events:

• Baptism: 25 Jun 1766, Ashmanhaugh, Norfolk

Notes:

Two other Sarahs born in Ludham either side